Conversation before the MSU Homecoming Parade

Me: Hello, President Simon, I am working on a yearlong blogging project where each week I have coffee with someone new and write about what I learn in the process. I know you are incredibly busy, but I was wondering if I could have 30 minutes of your time to sit down and grab coffee. 

President Simon: I could do that, we’ll work with Marti in my office to arrange. 

Important note: In the weeks leading up to asking President Simon, I talked briefly with her at three different MSU events so when I asked her, she knew who I was a little bit about me. 

Cup 16: President Lou Anna K Simon

Tuesday, November 2nd / Grand Traverse Pie Company / 8:15 AM

Cup 15

Person: Ruben Derderian

Drink: Cup of brewed coffee from the MSU Technologies office  

 

Have you ever jumped off a high dive?

You start on the ground and inch your way up the ladder, each rung getting you closer to the impending moment when you must leave the safety of the board for the uncertainty of the air and the cool blue water below. You’ve been waiting for this moment, preparing for it, in some ways looking forward to it, but all the mental preparedness can’t keep the anticipation of the fall, and the unexpected outcome the water brings, at bay.

It’s nerve racking.

You know what else is nerve racking? Jumping off the diving board of college into the waters of real life.

Rung one: write a resume.

Rung two: job fair.

Rung three: interview.

Rung four: acceptance letter.

Then you reach the top of the ladder. You inch your way closer to the edge, knowing full well there’s no turning back now. It’s only a matter of time before commencement rolls around and you’re on the edge of the board. Until then, the fear, excitement, and uncertainty mount.

Senior year is fun, but man can it be stressful.

Fortunately, as Ruben Derderian told me, the anticipation is always worse than the jump. And I believed him, because Ruben Derderian has had his fair share of successful dives.

Over his 30 plus year career, Ruben has been the President of five companies, Vice President of two, an independent management consultant, and now the Associate Director of Bioeconomy at Michigan State University.

That’s an impressive track record.

After receiving a science degree from Michigan State in 1965 and being wait-listed for the MSU Vet School two years in a row, Ruben and his wife decided to move to Baton Rouge, so he could work on a Masters Degree at Louisiana State University.

During that time, the retail store he had invested in with his brother—who was in charge of running operations—wasn’t doing well. When sales continued to fall, Ruben decided to take a semester off and move back to Michigan to salvage his investment. While helping his brother get the store back in order and sold, Ruben started working for a small medical device company, which was a growing industry at the time. He fully intended to finish his degree at LSU, the job was just something to do in the meantime.

But he quickly discovered he was good in his role. With his strong science background, he started going on calls with the salesmen. His ability to translate the mechanics of the medical device into terms doctors could understand made him a valuable asset. The problem was that he was making the sale, but the salesmen were earning the commission. When a new sales territory opened up, he asked his boss if he could take it. His boss said no, he wasn’t about to invest in an employee that was just going to move back to Louisiana.

That’s when Ruben decided it was time to switch plans and fully dive into medical sales—he’d finish the degree later.

He stayed with the company for a while before joining a new company where he was the Rookie Salesman of the year, the Most Improved Salesman the next year, and finally the company’s leading salesman his third year with the company.

His success led to job promotions and work he really enjoyed. That’s when he set his sights on an ultimate goal—one day he wanted to be the President/CEO of a corporation.

That goal set the tone for his career.

He worked his way up through the company, learning as much as possible and creating the most value along the way. When he reached a point where he’d done all he could do within that company, he looked for opportunities outside that corporation that allowed him to inch closer to his goal.

Then he repeated the process.

He worked incredibly hard,

Found mentors that helped him,

Leveraged his strengths

Looked for opportunities,

Kept learning,

and focused on jobs that he enjoyed.

The recipe clearly paid off—he achieved his goal of running a company (multiple times) and enjoyed the successes along the way. He’s enjoyed his career so much he keeps failing at retirement. He keeps finding ways to go back to work.

After telling me the long story of his successful career, Ruben turned the tables and asked me about my plans for the future. I didn’t like the tables being turned. It’s not much fun admitting that you don’t have a clue what your next step in life is going to be.

But I told him.

And what he told me was invaluable. He said I’d be just fine in the long run. He said it’s hell trying to find a job when you don’t have one. But once you have a job, it’s not too difficult to find a new one—especially if you’re building credibility and skills along the way.

That—and his story in general—lifted a big weight off my shoulders.

I, like many college students, have gotten caught up in the anticipation. I can’t shake the mindset that I have to find the perfect job. Have to. I mean this is the first step of my career! If I make the wrong choice—if i set out on the wrong foot—I’ve jeopardized my every chance at success! Right?

Wrong.

It’s not the job that decides your potential—you decide your potential.

That’s the lesson I learned in Cup 15:

The job you get is important, but it’s what you do once you get there that truly matters.

Ruben didn’t succeed in business because he found the “perfect job,” he succeeded because he was determined to keep going until he accomplished what he set out to achieve. I’d bet a lot of money Ruben would have been successful regardless of where he started.

The reality is that it’s scary jumping off the high dive—and that fear never fully disappears. But talking with Ruben reminded me that I’ve spent four years in college learning the skills necessary to survive in the waters of the real world. I’ve been preparing for this moment.

I know how to swim. I should be excited to jump.

Email 

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:41 AM

To: Ruben Derderian

Hello Mr. Derderian, 

 I am a senior at MSU and a friend of Dan Wolf. I am currently working on a yearlong blogging project called 52 Cups of Coffee (52cups.tumblr.com). Once a week for a year I am meeting with someone new and writing about what I learn and how I change in the process.  

Dan gave me your name and said you would be an excellent person to have coffee with. I would love to sit down with you and talk if you are interested. Would be available this week to meet? I understand it is late notice so if next week works better for you, I can be flexible to your schedule. 

I’m looking forward to hearing from you. 

Sincerely, 

Megan Gebhart

Received: September 22, 2010, at 9:12 AM

Megan,

I would be happy to talk to you but it will have to be after 10/04 as I am out of the office attending a conference until them.  How about re-connecting with me on the 4th and I am sure we can find some time to meet and talk.

Ruben

Sent: September 25, 2010 7:44 PM

Fantastic! I really appreciate your willingness to meet. 

Enjoy your conference and I will send you an email on the 4th.  

Megan 

Cup15: Ruben Derderian

Friday, October 29th / MSU Technologies Office / 11:00 AM

Cup 14

Person: Denise Busley

Drink: Small brewed coffee in a mug, Grand Traverse Pie Company, Lansing

If you can’t get enough of the pie at Grand Traverse Pie Company, thank co-founder Denise Busley.

Her story, however, is even better than the pie.

Two years after graduating from Michigan State, Denise Busley found herself in a medical sales job outside Los Angeles.   Between student loans and the high cost of living, it was a constant struggle to make ends meet and she and her husband Mike couldn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. 

She had a sales territory that had been abandoned for six months and the sales forecasts she was expected to meet seemed impossible. When her sales numbers were meager at the end of the quarter, her manager walked in and warned her—she had 90 days to turn her territory around.

She was distraught and mad. The situation wasn’t fair.

Then something happened. Right after the meeting with her manager, Denise attended the company’s national sales meeting. During the meeting, they made a big to-do about the rep with the highest sales. They gave him a big award and displayed his sales numbers—he was making twice as much in commission as Denise was! And, he was from some middle-of-nowhere state.

Suddenly a huge mental barrier disappeared for Denise. She realized she was letting the situation pull her down. If this guy could make that kind of money in his state, there was no reason she couldn’t match his numbers in LA where she, “could trip over 10 doctors on her way to work.”

It was a light bulb moment.

After the meeting, she ran (literally) to catch up with the president of the company and told him, “I’m going to be the sales rep of the year next year.” Then—once the adrenalin wore off—she had a moment of panic wondering what on earth she’d done.

But a year later, she was sales rep of the year.

For Denise, the change happened because she shifted her mindset. Instead of thinking, “this isn’t fair, my territory was abandoned, there’s too much competition, etc.,” she accepted that she was in a tough situation and  focused on the goal she had decided—very boldly—to achieve.

Denise eventually left the job, but the lesson stayed with her: understand situations for what they are and change what you have the ability to change.

****

Two kids and a 15 years later, it looked liked a relocation was in store for Mike, and neither Denise nor Mike could justify uprooting their kids to a new state when they weren’t really in love with the jobs they had. During a trip back to Traverse City, they visited a small pie shop and an idea hit. They would forget their current jobs and start a small 15-seat pie shop. Grand Traverse Pie Company was born.

In 10 years, they have expanded to over a dozen locations, which has brought Denise great success in a career she never expected. But more importantly, it has given her the resources to do what is most important to her—helping others. With the business running strong, Denise has stepped away from daily operations at the pie shop to contribute her efforts to a group of people working to bring a Children’s Advocacy Center to Traverse City.

Her journey has had its fair share of ups and down; but she has flourished because in difficult situation she has looked for the positive and focused on doing her best.  She’s approached life with the, “I’m going to be the sales rep of the year” mentality, instead of believing “this situation is unfair, and I’ll never make it.” That approach has made her happy. She feels truly blessed.

****

A few days after meeting with Denise, I was having a bad day because there was something I just couldn’t get off my mind. I spent all day dwelling on the bad situation and by the end of the day, the negative thoughts caught up to me.

Then I remembered what Denise had said, “Why label something as good or bad? Why can’t we just accept the situation for what it is?”

That’s when Denise’s words about acceptance really sunk in.

We often get stuck wallowing in situations we can’t control: the weather, genetics, the economy, the past, a bad sales territory—whatever it might be. And we let those situations drag us down. We focus on why it’s unfair or wish with all our might that we can snap our fingers and solve the problem.

It’s because acceptance is so damn hard.

No one wants to face the reality that their life has an imperfection. So we default to denial. We either dwell on the problem or push it under a rug and pretend its not there. But that doesn’t work. Refusing to accept situations we cannot change leads to devoting significant emotional and mental energy to changing a situation that we have zero control over. This turns the situation into a black hole for negative energy that entrenches our thoughts in a negative cycle. A cycle that is ineffective and sometimes destructive.

But if we can find the strength to push through the emotion and pain necessary to accept reality, we can redirect our focus to identifying the issues we can control. We start looking for solutions instead of wallowing in the problem.

The process of acceptance has transformative affects. It’s the reason Denise became sales rep of the year and a reason she and Mike have succeeded in the restaurant business and their mission to play a positive role in the community.

As I sat in my bad mood feeling the weight of the world on top of me, I thought about Denise and how that sales meeting changed her life. How it shifted her thinking and got her out the door selling.

In a way, cup 14 is like that sales meeting. Talking with Denise didn’t solve any of my problems, but it did reframe them. I realized that when life is pushing down on me, I’m just wasting energy pushing back. As hard as it is to let go—the more efficient use of that energy is finding a way to move forward.

I realize looking for the positive in difficult situations seems like a cliché. Its too easy to say, impossible to do. Accept terrible situations and emotional pain? Please. This isn’t Pollyanna.

But here is what I learned from Denise: if we can’t find acceptance, we get dragged down by denial and negativity. And that is no way to spend a lifetime.

Alright, so how do we find acceptance? What exactly is acceptance? How long does it take? How do I know when I’ve done it?

I don’t know those answers, which is why acceptance is damn hard.

But I think it’s worth finding out.